Supergirl Season 4 Hypothesis

What the what! So I guess I was wrong because it appears to be our Kara in that suit. I can't wait to find out the story behind it.

I disagree that the show doesn't have a good track record when it comes to costumes. Kara's skirted suit is always highly rated among TV supersuits. Tyler's Superman suit was well received. Of the many complaints about Martian Manhunter his suit is not one of them. Mon-El's caped suit was great. I know some were disappointed in Saturn Girl and Brainy's Legion suits but I thought they were fine. I suspect the reason Mon-El had a more "comic accurate" suite while the others didn't is he was originally going to get his suit in season two, Chris Wood alluded to this, so they were able to pull that one out of wardrobe. I would have made one adjustment to Odette's Reign suit but Purity and Pestilence's suits rocked. I'll admit Cyborg Superman was a rare miss.

I have to say, I am so excited for next season. I can't wait to see what happens with the two Kara's. I've definitely had some issues with the show these past 2 seasons but I willing to forgive it all if season 4 is going to be as good as they are setting it up to be. The focus back on Supergirl?

BTW, I've been reading the site for a long time but this is my first time commenting so hello everyone

Hi thedr787, on behalf of the regulars here welcome to the site and thanks for your first time comment.

The focus being back on Kara/Supergirl (which I think it will be with more Catco scenes and her continuing work as Supergirl with the D.E.O. (especially with Alex as Director)) and this alternate/duplicate/Siberian Kara meaning more of the joys of watching Melissa Benoist definitely has me excited for Season 4.

Hi Kiwi, thanks for the welcome! I totally agree about Melissa Benoist. I can't wait to see what she does with this new version of Kara and how she'll be different from overgirl and red k Kara. I'm curious if she'll be full on evil or if she just has different morals. It may depend if she has any of Kara's memories from before the split.. There are a lot of different ways this could go so hopefully we get more info at SDCC.

Here’s an interview Melissa did with Deadline . One noteworthy thing she said is she thinks the main premise of what the writers are going for is that fear itself is a villain, and can hope conquer it. I agree with that, as we found out with Psi fear is a powerful emotion that can cause people to do things they otherwise wouldn’t. In season one I think Max Lord’s main motivation was fear of aliens especially ones with great powers like Kryptonians.

As humans I think on some primal level we fear those who are different from us and what we perceive as “normal”. It served a purpose as a survival mechanism for our ancient ancestors but in our time has become the source of many problems.

@thedr787 - Welcome! It's nice to have another member join our club .

Didn't Winn even say if Kara went through the disruption it would kill her? So I thought the original Supergirl died when she time traveled. I could be way off but i don't expect it to really even be mentioned next season.

I remember Winn saying that but, nothing was mentioned about it after. I'm not sure that Kara died when she traveled - if she did, how would the Kara in the past know that she needed to change her actions and what exactly she needed to do? You're probably right and it won't be mentioned but, it would be nice if they did. They have all summer to come up with something, lol. Good catch on the black smoke.

Just saw this this morning. Made me chuckle out loud...

That is hilarious!

Thanks Sully!
That's a good point about how Kara would know she needed to change things. It was odd because it was like the Kara that time traveled took over/woke up in pastKara's body. That's why I thought original Kara died. Hopefully they do provide an explanation because time travel is confusing lol

Just saw this this morning. Made me chuckle out loud...

Just saw this this morning. Made me chuckle out loud... [attachment]20180622_091402.jpg[/attachment]

Good one, evrafter! I hope it's not just another rumor! LOL

With all respect, Superman did not spin the world backwards. He is going back in time, so the position of the earth is visible at earlier and earlier times, meaning the rotation direction as seen by superman reverses.

And while Winn told Kara she would be destroyed if she flew through a time distortion (the music was high enough I could not tell what was being said, exactly), well, she's tougher than she looks.

Something you said, KaraD, reminded me of something that caught my attention while watching...

So, Kara slides on Mon-El's Legion ring, then goes back in time... Correct? Unlike what Superman did in the original movie--spinning the Earth backwards to roll back time--Kara went through a worm hole. So, wouldn't that mean Kara was replacing herself in Reign's grip. Right? So... check her finger. Shouldn't she still be wearing the Legion ring? And thus, Mon-El didn't have to give her one in the new timeline because she already should have one? But, she's not. And she doesn't. Soooo.... *thinking*...*turns the episode back on and goes back to the end to see if the Siberian Kara has the ring*.... Hold please... *enter elevator music here* ....Hmmm iiiiinteresting. Siberian Kara's left hand is covered. But, then again, the split doesn't happen till a few seconds later--after she stops Sam from restabbing Reign. So, my developing theory just fizzled. lol

@thedr787 - Welcome! It's nice to have another member join our club .

Didn't Winn even say if Kara went through the disruption it would kill her? So I thought the original Supergirl died when she time traveled. I could be way off but i don't expect it to really even be mentioned next season.

I remember Winn saying that but, nothing was mentioned about it after. I'm not sure that Kara died when she traveled - if she did, how would the Kara in the past know that she needed to change her actions and what exactly she needed to do? You're probably right and it won't be mentioned but, it would be nice if they did. They have all summer to come up with something, lol. Good catch on the black smoke.

Just saw this this morning. Made me chuckle out loud...

That is hilarious!

They can't really do "Red Son," because the Soviet Union had collapsed before Kara landed. Alt-Supergirl can be a Putin fan, but I can't see her being a Communist.

With all respect, Superman did not spin the world backwards. He is going back in time, so the position of the earth is visible at earlier and earlier times, meaning the rotation direction as seen by superman reverses.

Here's the shot of which I was thinking. Ever since I was 7, it always appeared he changed the actual rotation direction of the earth. Just cheesy 1978 movie effects. But, as seen in this clip, the special effects department stops the rotation, then switched it. lol It's funny how ground breaking it appeared back then. I wonder how much my 7 yr old brain would explode should it have been introduced to Jurassic Park Fallen Kingdom's special effects in 3D Imax like I saw last night.

Since we didn't get a solid Overgirl/Alex scene in the cross-over, would love to see that "corrected" next season Yeah yeah yeah...we had a Red Kryptonite Kara. But, I have a feeling, with how brilliant Melissa is, she's going to be approaching this differently.

P.S....the "Supergirl Flies In" clock really bites tonight But...not nearly as bad as the past two summers.

I really wonder if Red Son Kara will be the main or secondary antagonist next season.

1) I just noticed the clock do you have confirmation on 10/14.

2) I read up on both red lantern Supergirl and the Red Son Superman stories. They both sound like something only Melissa can pull off.

I just noticed the clock do you have confirmation on 10/14.

not confirmed but unlike previous years, we are confirmed for season four, and we have a very likely date. I’m not unwilling to change when it is official but this makes a good estimate for us.

It'd be fun to incorporate, but it comes with all the baggage that comes with incorporating anything from a different property (Green Lantern). I think it'll be a lot more like when Black Kryptonite was used on Kara back in 2006, in issue 5 of what was the then current comic series.

However, the split version being found in Siberia raises other questions. What foreign power wouldn't love to get their hands on and try to weaponize a Kryptonian?

I personally would have written this finale differently. Especially with the knowledge of Melissa's Broadway schedule clashing with the beginning of season 4's filming. But they may not have known those scheduling issues when they scripted this.

What I personally would have liked is a big throwdown between Reign and Sam, but Reign still having the edge due to Pestilence and Purity's added powers. Things look dire and Reign is about to kill Sam, Mon-El, Alura, and everyone involved when Kara sacrifices herself to save Sam, knowing she is a mother, giving Sam the opportunity to deal the final blow, perhaps with the sword.

The season ends with the belief that Supergirl has died. A private funeral is held and Kara is sent off into space, as Astra was, per Kryptonian funeral custom. Mon-El and the Legion return to the future, as originally intended, but not before Mon-El places a Legion Ring on the seemingly deceased Supergirl, making her an honorary posthumous Legion member. To honor her fallen friend, a newly superpowered Sam creates a new costumed identity, akin to Superwoman, but not necessarily that. The last shot would be a close up on Kara's floating space-casket. The camera zooms in closer until the screen goes black, and we hear a single heartbeat, giving hope of Supergirl's return. And that's my season's end.

My version of season 4 would pick up some time later, Sam still operating as a hero in Supergirl's absence. In the meantime, we see a shot of Kara's space-casket floating towards the sun.

On Earth, Sam eventually comes across something she can't seem to beat. Suddenly, a bright yellow flash comes from the sky. Supergirl has returned. Her casket coming into such close proximity to the yellow sun healed her, and the Legion ring allowed her to fly in space, bursting from her pod and returning to Earth just in time to save her friends.

She uses her current excess of power to defeat whatever enemy Sam and the others are facing. The excess energy dissipates. There is a tearful reunion, and season 4 kicks off.

One of my season long arcs would be Kara's over-exposure to solar radiation making her sick, like Overgirl was, and the team spending an arc trying to find a way to keep Kara from meeting the same fate.

I know it's super dark, but I think it would have been a powerful ending, as intense as Kara's first fight with Reign. Emotions would run high, both with Kara's presumed death at the end of my version of season 3, and upon her return in the beginning of season 4.

And having one or two episodes of Sam operating as the city's hero before Supergirl returns would give Melissa the leeway she needs while finishing her run on Broadway.

It's all a moot point, now, so I figured no harm in sharing how I would have done it. Still, that twist with the other Kara was unforeseen, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with it.

I have a feeling this red daughter arc won’t be a season long one. It’s not physically sustainable to have Melissa play the villain for a whole season. Savatar’s suit made it possible for a version of Barry to be the big bad because it meant Grant only had to play the dual roles for five or so episodes. Also Savatar wasn’t introduced from the beginning and wasn’t revealed to be a timeremnant until nearly the end.

Maybe we’re going to get multiple villains.

I'm curious if Kara will be forced to learn a lesson about the perils of time travel. Barry learned the hard way, that when you change time to save someone's life, it always balances out somewhere else, and someone else pays for it.

In the "original" timeline, Reign was defeated, but took 3 lives. Sam, Mon-El, and Alura. Kara thinks it's because she came in with the intention of killing. But she didn't do the killing of Reign, Sam did. Kara used the foreknowledge of what Sam was about to do to change the future and save 3 lives.

But what is the cost? A presumably evil Supergirl that may end up under the control of a foreign superpower? How many lives will be lost because she meddled with time? I hope that, if this new Kara in Siberia ends up taking lives, that the cost of our Kara's meddling with time is actually explored, and not swept under the rug. Barry changing time for his own benefit, especially in season 3 of Flash, was a VERY big deal. To the point where he refuses to do it again. I hope Kara learns the same lesson. Because the Legion ring and the DEO's ability to detect temporal disruptions gives her the ability to change time at will. And if it's taboo on at least 2 of the other shows, it needs to be established as taboo, here.

Heck, even the Legion faced unforeseen consequences of changing the timeline. They stopped the Blight but caused a new threat to emerge.

Yeah, im figuring the Red Daughter storyline will take half the season. Perhaps even have alt Kara wearing a mask like Earth X Kara ...so that Our Kara doesnt realize what happened until midseason?

Some Lena talk...

Been seeing anger arise, some feeling if Lena "goes bad," they feel the writers will have just been misleading us.

I think I have to disagree on this one. I compare Lena's possible leaning into the darkside Season 4 to Sam's journey. We've been drawn into Lena's story. If she started off an evil villian, there wouldn't be any room for character building and/or growth. Keeping her in the grey has kept us all actively guessing--will she, won't she--and us the viewer battling her darkside alongside her. If she dabbles into said dark Luthor family line S4, I think we'll be screaming at our tv's for her to fight it. That, IMO, makes for awesome television.

This would also leave the door open to Lena remaining a character on the show. After all, if she was always bad and stayed bad, eventually she would have to be defeated and the character leave the storyline. This allows for dabbling in the dark for a spell, and then have a redemption story--allowing for her to always then have relevance to Kara's story.

During our super long hiatus, I had a time to think about how I would personally like the season to wrap. Those first 9 episodes were so dark, and whenever I'm writing, I like to use what they've done as a base, instead of going full-on fan-fiction. Then I like to see how much I was correct about.

So, do you write Supergirl stories then?

I was nowhere near correct about this season...which, cool, i didn't predict it. But man, the back half of the season lost so much momentum and potential...
I think, truly, the biggest problem of the season is that they rushed some stories and elements they really should have taken their time on and fleshed out, and in their place stuffed in some really haphazard side plots or one-off episodes.

The points and direction that you listed in this reflection are what frustrates me the most about the show. It really should be simple plot structure in writing. They put down a really good premise that had potential and as the season progressed, one would think that major events that occurred throughout the season would have referred back to that premise in order to reinforce what was introduced. That way, the viewer would naturally connect those events and would be emotionally invested so that when the climax of the season occurred, it left an impact. But, as you said, the big events like Kara's near death by Reign weren't connected. Through that event, we should have seen more introspective fall-out on Kara's part that was connected to the human/alien conflict. She should have realized that she could be hurt or killed - how would that experience affect her confidence? My wish is that they really sit down this summer and write out a solid structure for the season - with the ending in mind - and provide the pivotal elements within the episodes that reinforce their premise. All of the characters and all of the stories need to fit within that drawn out structure.

As for this "Red Son", or rather, "Red Daughter?" storyline. It won't be ripped straight from comics. They, by necessity, will have to create an original story, which is a good thing. It reduces comparison to the comics, a bit. Red Son Superman was not a clone, or a Black Kryptonite split-off of the normal Superman. It was an Elseworlds tale.

I'm not familiar with "Elseworlds"? But, as long as its a story that is made for Supergirl and not just her riding on the established story's coat-tails, I am willing to keep an open mind.